suggestion #24 poem problem.

[naughtyelf]

Ok, has anyone else noticed the spamming going on in the poems threads these days? has anyone seen this response posted and reposted over and over again? * nice poem, write more*. and is anyone else getting tired of it? 4 word posts do not deserve to be put toward your post count, its the user bios all over again. i think either the poems section shouldn't get you post count, or you should be required to actually post more of an opinion then * i liked it* that's not an opinion, it's barley a sentence, and a weak one at that. i think this is not fair to those of us who actually post intelligent opinions, and don't just copy the same 3-5 words over and over.

[Dark Icelord]

I agree with dillon. Most posts in the poem threads don't really deserve post count any more than the lounge does. The user bios actually somewhat deserved posts more than some of the posts in the poem threads.

i think this is not fair to those of us who actually post intelligent opinions, and don't just copy the same 3-5 words over and over.

I went into the poem threads and found 23 posts all consisting of 3-5 words. No offense to anyone but I think that if the rules on the site were actually enforced there would be a lot less problems with everything, not just the poem threads.

[SkinnyGreenMan]

elf said:

Ok, has anyone else noticed the spamming going on in the poems threads these days? has anyone seen this response posted and reposted over and over again? * nice poem, write more*. and is anyone else getting tired of it? 4 word posts do not deserve to be put toward your post count, its the user bios all over again. i think either the poems section shouldn't get you post count, or you should be required to actually post more of an opinion then * i liked it* that's not an opinion, it's barley a sentence, and a weak one at that. i think this is not fair to those of us who actually post intelligent opinions, and don't just copy the same 3-5 words over and over.

If you look at nothing but the facts, it is indeed spamming. However, the replies to the poems are a good thing. They provide moral support to the poem writers. I certianly do not want to disalow short replies, as they are might be the only way to say what the poster is thinking - "That was a good poem!"

Now you're right that they might be able to reword it to be a little more origional, but is that really a big deal? Just because reading through similar posts of encouragement is boring to you doesn't merit slamming them.

However... I agree that the short posts are not neccesarily worthy of postcount. About the fairness though, there is no way to properly ensure the accuracy of postcount for rank's sake. It is not meant to be a status of any sort since, as you pointed out, some posts do not have as much thought put into them. Postcount was origionally meant to be just that - a count of the times you have posted. People often take pride in their postcount number - and then feel cheated when someone else's number is "higher then it should be", so we have put in a few rules to help the postcount represent the posts that people feel are worthy. I don't know if this is a good thing or not, but it's what we're doing.

According to our current postcount plan, I agree that the postcounts should be disabled in the commedian centeral. I also think that turning postcounts completely off might be a good idea, because I have seen big postcount problems on other forums and would like to spare green games of those problems if possible.

We'll see what other people think.

[Dark Icelord]

s said:

If you look at nothing but the facts, it is indeed spamming.

Why don't you enforce the rules then and do something about the spam?

[naughtyelf]

Yes Scott, that was a direct quote. if spamming is against the rules, then it is your duty to do something about it, so please do.

[The Dracolyte]

I also completely agree about this, the spam has gotten way out of hand, so it would be up to the admin/mods of those sections that break the rules to do something about it.

[SkinnyGreenMan]

icelord13 said:

s said:

If you look at nothing but the facts, it is indeed spamming.

Why don't you enforce the rules then and do something about the spam?

Because I don't want to discourage people giving encouragement. Disabling postcount is the obvious solution - but since no one had brought up the issue, I decided it was not importiant to solve until it bothered someone.

As I said in my privious post, when forums get bigger, postcount problems get bigger. Green games is a small forum, so we may not have to worry about it, but there may come a point where everyone disagrees so strongly on what postcount should be that it would be better if we just got rid of it beforehand. This, however, is another issue that hasn't yet shown. Just be warned in case it does happen.

Anyway, like I said, I agree that postcount should be disabled in the user bios section according to the rules, but since this was posted as a suggestion thread, it's open for anyone to voice their thoughts before we act on the issue.

elf said:

Yes Scott, that was a direct quote. if spamming is against the rules, then it is your duty to do something about it, so please do.

You are correct, however... I suggest you read though the rules again. If we enforced them all, that would just be wierd (blankes are to be used when it's cold, there was no number nine in this list, etc.) ... The rules were meant to be silly (since green games is a small forum and doesn't neccesarily need strict rules), and "more like guidelines then actual rules".

[Dark Icelord]

s said:

You are correct, however... I suggest you read though the rules again. If we enforced them all, that would just be wierd (blankes are to be used when it's cold, there was no number nine in this list, etc.) ... The rules were meant to be silly (since green games is a small forum and doesn't neccesarily need strict rules), and "more like guidelines then actual rules".

So what your telling me is that I could go into the lounge, revive about 20 old threads in there pushing everything off the first page. Then I could go and start telling everyone how I hate their poems and how they're stupid. Then I could go into the Announcements board and start double and triple posting my thoughts about how everyone of a certain nationality was stupid. So if I did all that, nothing would be done about it, or are you just all a bunch of hypocrites here?

[SkinnyGreenMan]

icelord13 said:

s said:

You are correct, however... I suggest you read though the rules again. If we enforced them all, that would just be wierd (blankes are to be used when it's cold, there was no number nine in this list, etc.) ... The rules were meant to be silly (since green games is a small forum and doesn't neccesarily need strict rules), and "more like guidelines then actual rules".

So what your telling me is that I could go into the lounge, revive about 20 old threads in there pushing everything off the first page. Then I could go and start telling everyone how I hate their poems and how they're stupid. Then I could go into the Announcements board and start double and triple posting my thoughts about how everyone of a certain nationality was stupid. So if I did all that, nothing would be done about it, or are you just all a bunch of hypocrites here?

lol, no. The rules are there as guidelines to what should and should not be done. They are, however, presented in a silly manner to exemplefy that green games does not have strict rules - it's here for people to have fun. Most of the "rules" are simply common sense - people should be following these regardless of weather or not we stated them.

If you did all of the above, I'd say it is rather obious you had disruption in mind. The people posting in comedian centeral have no idea they're breaking the "rules". They're simply using green games as it was origionally meant to be - for fun. They aren't the cause of disruption. Their intentions are good.

The rules are guidelines to help govern people's intentions. Obviously, we would perfer if everyone had good intentions, so the rules shouldn't be neccesairy. Hence, they should be treated as "guidelines".

Anyway, look at the definition of spam (no, not the meat substitute). It stands for Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages. The replies in the comedian centeral that you guys are talking about (which, I'll restate, I agree with you that they don't merit postcount) are not stupid or pointless, and only annoying to some. They are not stupid because, although they appear to have little origionality, the writers all mean exactly what they said - ("That was an awesome poem!", etc.). They are not pointless because they are offering support to the poem writer - a valid point. They are apperently annoying to some of you (hence the start of this thread), but that's only because you feel like they cheated to get something you worked for - postcount.

[Dark Icelord]

I agree that the posts like "that was a great poem" aren't stupid or pointless. I just think that people post things like that way to much.

And on another note.

s said:

The people posting in comedian centeral have no idea they're breaking the "rules".

Maybe we should explain in detail the rules to green games so that people will actually know when they're breaking the rules.

[SkinnyGreenMan]

I agree that adding a bit more of a personal touch ("I really liked the poem about the flamingoes - good job!") would be good. This is not always possible, however. If the person doesn't have anything else to say, I think it's still good that they at least say something to show that they appriciate the poem they just read.

Perhaps that's a good idea about the rules explenations... We should probably start a new topic about this though (and consault with Josh). I think the rules will work better if we look at them as guidelines (there's no "breaking" a guideline - only stretching it too far). The reason I think the guideline is a good idea for a small group is that it allowes us to make less strict judgements.

[Happy Camper]

Just post more than two words. "I like this poem because......." not just "I like this poem"

[naughtyelf]

see, now that would make it pretty simple wouldn't it? and if you seriously just want to say it was good, greenmail is here for a reason.